(Living in Sin? A Bishop Rethinks Human Sexuality) PDF/EBOOK Ê John Shelby Spong
Ith sexual s and attitudes I reflected The Fact That *Spong Wrote This the fact that *Spong wrote this addressing these same issues 1988 25 *wrote this book addressing these same issues in 1988 25 ago Is he intelligent and knowledgeable Is he insightful as in prophetically so Is he intellectually honest Is he apparently fearlessly courageous Is he helpful Of courseyesyesyesyes and yes Do I need to say yes again Yes Though many Evangelicals would probably view many of his thoughts as heretical and though I did not find myself agreeing with all or ven most of his ideasI feel that if the Church would Great Plains: America's Lingering Wild embrace the uestions he raises with as much compassion as hexhibits we would impact so many people in a positive way for Christ I do feel that he falls a bit too far into postmodern thinking we all have our own measure of truth or what is holy yet raises important debate about how sexuality affects society in ways than just homosex Being on the people that the church typically loses unmarried college Hard Bread (Phoenix Poets educated 20s this book reignited my interest in the Church I found it hard to believe that the creator of physics of science of biology of all these amazing things would really tell me that as a woman I need to find some man to serve that I should keep uiet in church that if we women want to get married later in life after our career we should really be celibate We should hate our homosexual friends beautiful relationships I uestionverything I read and want to know the background and context of Electromyography for Experimentalists everything why should the Bible bexcluded Spong informs the reader of how the Bible itself has been accepted in different ways by the Gentiles who could not be Christians according to the Jewish law Inclusivity had to begin once the Bible became universal A literal reading of the Bible is impossible because of its contradictions but this doesn t take away from the Bible The Word of God is resolute in wanting to us love Forgetful of Their Sex: Female Sanctity and Society, ca. 500-1100 each other acceptach other tcI truly believe that if we don t begin at least to lean toward the way Spong allows for us to interpret the Bible With the same academic detail with which we study other literature the Bible can truly persevere for ages We can discard the gender biases that made women property that asks us to be celibate for decades that asks us to stay in unhappy marriages Does that really sound in line with a God who says throughout the Bible we should seek fuller lives Marriage wasn t the same when lifespans were around 40 years Lifespans have doubled sexuality no longer means procreation If we keep attempting to indoctrinate future generations with these ideas which are strange now to our new reality we will lose very person of my demographic Just like the adhering to the Jewish rule had to be xpanded to include the reality of a universal religion we need to also realize the life and reality can still be moral through the interpretation of the Word of God not the word of man If you are in any way interested in the ver crushing Christian religious debate surrounding homosexuality this book is really phenomenal Especially considering how Wicked Loving Lies early it is in this debate of the broader Church mid 80s I think Spong s challenge to THE Church about the debate on sexuality is refreshingven 25 years into this soul numbing argument Spong is thoughtful and La heredera del mar even handed though a few chapters drag on and he is above all compassionate If only the ELCA had read this 25 years ago we could all have been saved the heartache of a legacy ofxclusivity To put a fine point on it this book vidences Bishop John Shelby Spong at his best being years ahead of his time than a full uarter century in this case in advocating for a spiritually volved form of Christianity that is life nhancing and affirming forto allIn the spirit of full disclosure this has to be the ighth or ninth book by Bishop Spong that I ve read so I m both a fan and a follower In my xperience his wisdom is deep both in terms of its profundity and its volume This book is further vidence thereofA little bit of back story may be helpful Ostensibly this book is the Bishop s public response to a study on sexuality that was commissioned in his diocese with his Aramaic Bowl Spells: Jewish Babylonian Aramaic Bowls Volume One encouragement back in the mid 1980s Its purpose is to be thoughtful about how tovolve the Episcopal church s approach to sexuality generally and also specifically with respect to three groups of people unmarriedpre married young people gay and lesbian Xenophon And His World (Historia Einzelschriften) et al people and post marrieddivorced adultsIn some sense the study is a helpful pretext for the Bishop to suggest new approaches to some of the church s most alienating theological interpretations and the policies that resulted from them Specifically the Bishop considered the church s then current approaches to pre marital sex homosexuality and post marital sex anachronistic ineffective and dehumanizing Suffice it to say thatven as the Sexual Revolution of the 60s and 70s was cooling in no small part due to the contagion of the AIDS Geography of the Gaze: Urban and Rural Vision in Early Modern Europe epidemic of the 80s very few people observed the celibacy that was the church s only prescript. Ort gay and lesbian relationships Should congregations publicly and liturgically witness and affirm divorces Should the church's moral standards continue to be set by patriarchal males Bishop Spong proposes a pas. Another ace in the hole for Spong Oh how I am hoping the Christian church will wake soon and once and for all begin practicing acceptance and inclusiveness instead of the opposite Spong faces touchy subjects in this book and offers readers another perspective A realistic view of what is really going on in this world today with it s problems Christians need a fresh approach for the issues of modern day I believed that what Spong shares in this book does just that Five big fatty stars means that this one is a GOOD read I love this book I wish there was a way to make this mandatory reading forveryone who claims
To Be A Christian Bishop be a Christian Bishop shakes the bones of very Christian tradition relating *TO WOMEN SEX SEXUALITY AND GENDER AND ASKS US *women
sexuality and gender and asks us wake up rethink these traditions on the basis of the world we NOW live it Some of what is here will be shocking BUT if you follow his research and logic you will likely be persuadedIn his pilogue Spong states I can take consolation from the fact that people like me who love the church and yet dare to uestion the church s conventional wisdom can over a long One Wild Weekend enough period of time make a vital difference Written in 1988 some of what he proposed has already begun to takeffect Much of it is still waiting to be implemented Spong helps readers to understand some of the notions of our culture in regard to sexuality religion the inability to reconcile the two Too many people still see sexuality as something that lives on the dirty side of life s fence Much of that misguided thinking stems from religious trickle down theory Whether one has Forgetful of Their Sex ever been part of a religious tradition or had any religious training at all doesn t matter No one in modern culturescapes the beliefs that are handed down from preceding generations Though one may think he s immune there are cultural stigmas prejudices which don t make much sense but are nevertheless still prevalent in modern society which have their roots in religionJohn Shelby Spong is provocative powerful in his approach to the holiness of life That is how holiness should be I read this book a couple of decades ago so I m going off of memory here Bishop Spong is one of the first religious leaders I Naturally Naughty Wicked Willing ever heard speak of homosexuality without judgment At the time I read this book I was in myarly twenties in a committed lesbian relationship When people would ask me what my religious beliefs were I d cross my fingers and say Jesus and I are like that But organized religion bugs me Frankly I felt unwelcome in most churches I grew up listening to people talk about how the Bible says homosexuality is a sin My friends in high school and I were bullied and threatened with death by our peers for being gay or bi or uestioning All these years later it s still a crazy harsh world we live in but it s getting better for kids who are gay or bi or uestioning I can t wait to re read this book and see how I feel about it today Highly recommended to open minds In a pattern that by now is becoming typical if not F. Scott Fitzgerald's The Great Gatsby expected with Spong he organizes the book in three parts Part I The Revolution Part II The Bible Part III Some New Proposals As an appendix he includes the Report of the Episcopal Task Force on Changing Sexuality and Family Life 1986 There is a 4 page bibliography and a 4 page index Notes are included at thend of Walled (The Line, each chapterChapter 1 isntitled Setting the Stage I uote the opening linesSome people will regard this book as a book about sex I regard it as a book about prejudice For centuries sexual attitudes sexual taboos and sexual practices have been used by dominant groups in society to keep others subordinate Those who possess power define those who are powerless and then impose their own definition on the ones defined The guiding principle is to Cruel Attachments: The Ritual Rehab of Child Molesters in Germany ensure the comfort the convenience the happiness and the well being of the dominant onesBehind prejudice there is also fear We reject that which we cannot manage We condemn what we do not understand We set up a means of control to render powerless those dynamic realities we know to be powerful No aspect of our humanity is invested with anxieties yearningmotions an d needs than is our sexual nature So sex is a major arena in which the prejudice of human beings finds xpressionThis accounts for the anger and ven the violence that rupts when sexual control mechanisms are publicly challenged p23All that being said he pretty well covers the waterfront of sexuality inside and outside of one man one woman marriagebetween single persons before marriage or after marriage and divorce or being widowedhomosexuality ordination and leadership of women tc After Tempting Fate essentially a lifetime ofxperiencing the church handling sexuality in a very poor and inadeuate way I find it very refreshing and ncouraging to find a churchman who ngages the realities all around us and provides some leadership into the futureWhen I read of the current pope s recent uestionaire of his bishops on a spate of social issues generally dealing Is celibacy the only moral alternative to marriage Should the widowed be allowed to form intimate relationships without remarrying Should the church receive people who identify as LGBT into its community and supp.
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Bishop felt compelled to address these issues because he has wanted to stem the bb of the church s influence andfelt compelled to address these issues because he has wanted to stem the bb of the church s influence and feels that the church should indeed play a role in helping people to address so cardinal a realm of their beingspiritual lives as their sexualityAnd he does a nice job of setting the context Apocalyptic Cartography explaining why and how the world has changed and therefore why and how the church s theologypolicyteaching has tovolve as well In sum he believes that an active sexual relationship can indeed be holy outside of *marriage and lucidates some common sense and accessibly spiritual guidelines for this to be the caseWhich all sounds sort of *and lucidates some common sense and accessibly
guidelines for to be the caseWhich all sounds sort of to us now A Bride for McCain except that this book was published in 1988 over 25 years ago when such humane and spirit affirming wisdom was truly cuttingdge to put it nicely Again this book Heart and Soul / Almost Heaven evidences the Bishop at his best being years ahead of his time than a full uarter century in this case in advocating for a spirituallyvolved form of Christianity that is life nhancing and affirming forto allWhat s perhaps a touch sad and revealing of us is that the book also xposes the Bishop s naivete one of his predictions at the time was that it would take a decade or so for his forward thinking to be widely accepted As we know we re just now beginning to grapple with these issues both spiritually and politically The fact that gay marriage is not universally supported in ither our churches or our society and the laws that bind it attests to just how revolutionary and important this workbookevolved spirituality was and isSo it s truly groundbreaking spiritual work and worth a thoughtful and considered as well as reverent read It s not perfect there are a few patches in which the context is unnecessarily dense andor the discussion is datedclearly time bound but it s inspiring to think that Bishop Spong was challenging us and the church to be so universally loving and inclusive over a uarter century ago is both impressive and motivating He was one of several voices crying out in the wilderness It s great to see that he and his fellow visionaries have been proven correct and that we are beginning to celebrate our shared humanity in all of its forms with or without the institutional church s blessing That John Shelby Spong has goaded us and our churches to be humane in our spirituality and our practice of religion is indeed his greatest legacy Living in Sin will remind you of just how visionary he has been and is Bishop Spong once again makes an appeal to the intellect of the faithful and their leaders to act and not react with intelligence rather than fear Sadly it falls upon many a deaf ar and stone cold heartsSpong addresses many Biblical translation rrors mis interpretation and proof texting used to discriminate and oppress women and those with alternative lifestyles I actually loathe the term alternative as it implies that the dominant culture is correct and superior The uestion Why have people and sexuality volved but not religion is addressed Why do so many church leaders still judge and damn folks through the lenses of centuries oldBishop Spong does a nice job at taking various parts of Judeo Christian scripture that are used as a penal code by fundamentalists today and walks the reader through the times and history of ach Bible verse It is asy to see why folks misunderstand the Bible in the first place but inexcusable that they do not modify their antiuated and hateful views It is deplorable that we have so called Christians that bear posters and signs declaring GOD HATES FAGS GOD HATES JEWS and other hate speech in today s society Their ways and views are so antithetical to Jesus reported ways that it is just mind numbing that they apply the term Christian to their very beingThe good bishop offers some sound wisdom regarding divorce as well I love the liturgy he proposes to have a Divorce Ceremony for couples who have A Love To Remember exhausted other means for the salvation of their marriage no pun intended The liturgy and description of said ceremony is simply beautiful and heart wrenching I will be adding this to the list of services that I offer as an Interfaith PastorSpong takes the infamous three things to not discuss at a party sex politics and religion and meets them head on with theological maturity and wisdom There is a lot that people can learn from this book We have come far but not farnough in our treatment and respect for others Hiding behind a cross and the anger of a god is no longer fair nor acceptable behaviourThe school of literalism needs to be closed once and for all It has and continues to destroy families and society Listen to the All Loving Christians around you as they discuss those people and judge and ostracize folks that don t think like they do Didn t their Jesus associate with the marginalized of the world WWJD I think gag and shake his head in shame over his followers that hijacked his views and turned them into dogmatic hatre. Toral response based on scripture and history to the changing realities of the modern world He calls for a moral vision to Her Stolen Past (Family Reunions empower the church with inclusive teaching aboutual loving nonexploitative relationship.spiritual guidelines for